The Bible and the Paranormal
Responses to a Scholar's Rebuttal
I have received a request by a scholar, who shall remain
unnamed, to answer a series of rebuttals to specific points found in my article
"The Bible and the Paranormal - A New Perspective". I would like to state that I
know and respect the person presenting this rebuttal, although I obviously do
not always agree with his opinions. I will present his points as they were
presented, along with my responses.
The scholar requests:
"I have enjoyed reading your installments of
"The Bible and the Paranormal" in UFO Digest but I have some concerns and since
I know you I decided to write to you directly rather than just putting out a
rebuttal. Maybe you could answer my concerns in your next installment?"
My response:
The length of this series is too long to include this rebuttal and the
detailed responses required to answer the many specific challenges he presents,
so, I will request that it be posted to UFO Digest as a separate piece.
The scholar states:
"You are absolutely correct that the Bible is
full of examples of various types of paranormal phenomena. It is also full of
incest, murder, rape and homosexuality. Just because a person has the potential
to do these things doesn't mean that they should."
My response:
I am at a loss to explain how the first statement is relevant to the
points made concerning the anomalous human powers discussed in the first
installment of the series. How do "incest, murder, rape and homosexuality"
relate to levitation, psychokinesis, astral projection, telepathy, glossalia,
etc.?
In the descriptions of these powers and the statements concerning them, there is
no indication in the article that anyone "should" do them. And, it was Jesus or
his apostles, who exhibited these powers, or stated that humans could accomplish
these things. Whether "they" meant that anyone "should" do these things would
seem to be the judgment of the one reading about them.
The scholar states:
"Saul went to the Witch at Endor but he should
not have. Look what happened to him."
My response:
For clarification I will point out that the woman Saul contacted at
Endor is not described as a "witch", but a woman that had a familiar spirit.
There is no indication in scripture that a "witch" is one who has a "familiar
spirit".
The statement "Look what happened to him." would seem to imply that the fate
of Saul was determined solely on his visit to the woman at Endor and the act he
asked her to perform. In other words, the scholar is implying that Saul fell on
his sword, when he was defeated by the Philistines, as described in 1 Samuel
31:5, because he was being punished by God for contacting the dead spirit of
Samuel. However, the spirit of Samuel told Saul the specific reason for his
impending defeat, when he made that contact:
"Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is
departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? And the Lord hath done to him, as
he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given
it to thy neighbour, even to David: Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the
Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done
this thing unto thee this day. Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with
thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be
with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the
Philistines." (1 Samuel 28:16-19)
There is no indication in this prediction by Samuel that the reason Saul
would join him in the grave the next day was because he used the woman at at
Endor to contact him. The reason Samuel told Saul he was to die is very clearly
stated as being: "Because thou (Saul) obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor
executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek,". To attribute "what happened to him"
to visiting the woman at Endor is completely incorrect.
The scholar states:
"The key scripture is Deuteronomy 18:10-12.
Saul knew this but did it anyway and suffered for it."
My response:
The scholar uses Deuteronomy 18:10-12 to justify his statement that Saul
died for his encounter with Samuel, which does state, "There shall not be found
among you... a consulter with familiar spirits". The scholar seems to ignore the
beginning of the chapter where this event is described, which shows that Saul
did exactly what the Deuteronomy 18:11 edict demands: "Now Samuel was dead, and
all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And
Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the
land." (I Samuel 28:3) Surely, in spirit, Saul violated his own edict, but,
again, this does not add any weight to the incorrect implication that Saul died
for any reason other than that stated by Samuel. To state that Saul "suffered"
because he visited the woman at Endor is, also, completely incorrect.
The scholar states:
"Your discussion of ghosts in the Bible is
negated I believe by Hebrews 9:27"
My response:
Hebrews 9:27 states: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but
after this the judgment:". Unless I am mistaken, using this verse, and no other
reasoning, the scholar is saying we only die once and the very next thing
experienced is the "judgment", with no experiences occurring between. Thus, any
concept that there are spirits of the dead is not valid, as he states that all
text presented on ghosts in the second installment of my article is "negated" by
this verse.
In the section presented on ghosts, there are many aspects to the paradigm,
which the concept "negated" implies are invalid. They are as follows:
* The
Bible describes death as "giving up the ghost" 19 times in: Genesis 25:8, 17,
35:29, 49:33, Job 3:11, 10:18, 11:20, 13:19, 14:11, Jeremiah 15:9, Lamentations
1:19, Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, 19, Luke 23:46. John 19:30, Acts 5:5, 10, and
12:23.
The word "ghost" in Matthew 27:50 is taken from the Greek word pneuma,
pronounced pnyoo'-mah, meaning; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a
breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit. Therefore, it would be logical to
state that the "ghost" that leaves the body of the deceased is a spirit of that
person.
Thus, a ghost is a dead spirit, as is generally understood in the paranormal
world. Claiming this is invalid is implying these verses are not correct.
* It
is difficult to imagine that this description of an anomalous entity that Job
encountered was anything but a "ghost":
"Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all my bones to shake. Then a
spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up: It stood still, but
I could not discern the form thereof: an image was before mine eyes, there was
silence, and I heard a voice, saying, Shall mortal man be more just than God?
shall a man be more pure than his maker?" (Job 4:14-17) If not a ghost, what was
Job describing?
* It
is presumed, that by stating the facts presented on ghosts are "negated", all
reports by persons claiming to have had a near-death experience, NDE, are,
therefore, false.
* "The
days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength
they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon
cut off, and we fly away." (Psalms 90:10), does not mean what it says.
* The
encounter Saul had with the dead spirit, AKA, a ghost, of Samuel did not happen,
as the Bible described and, therefore was not a sin that the scholar claimed
resulted in Saul's death. By implying ghosts do not exist, he is contradicting
his own rebuttal.
The scholar states:
"The issue that I had the most difficulty with
was the discussion of hell. You tried to convince the reader that it was mostly
a result of an overbearing Church trying to control its people with threats of
eternal punishment. You are correct that the Catholic Church in particular used
this technique in the Inquisition, and it was also used by various other
denominations to put fear and trembling into their flock and therefore have
control over them. This did happen and unfortunately still continues to happen
today but it does not negate the concept of hell in Scripture. Jesus himself
spoke more about the ravages of a fiery hell than He did about heaven. See
Matthew 5:22 where Jesus talks of fiery hell also Matthew 5:29, 30, 10:28, 16:18
(Gates of Hades), 18:9, 23:33. Also Mark 9:43, 45, 47 Luke 16:19-31 tells of
Lazarus and the Rich Man. Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom (heaven) and the rich
man was in the fires of Hades. No matter that the church used threats of hell to
control and even torture and kill its flock, it does not negate the reality of
Hell. It only demonstrates to me that many of the persecutors will be there not
the persecuted. God will not be mocked!"
My response:
To completely cover the doctrine of how "Hell" became a place of eternal
and fiery torment in Christian doctrine, in a proper manner, would require an
entire book. Many theological works have been presented over the ages, which
contradict the concept of Hell as a place of eternal suffering, since this
concept was formally introduced to the Christian world by Justinian, in 530AD. (William
Barclay, J.W. Hanson, John A.T. Robinson, Lightfoot, Westcott, F.W. Farrar,
Marvin Vincent, etc.) Claiming that Hell is a
place of eternal suffering is a doctrine with a solid foundation, is to ignore
theological reality, and, in fact, is to discount simple logic. Here are just a
few points of logic that give strong evidence that the Hell of the Bible and the
Hell of Christian doctrine are two completely different concepts:
* Is
God a hypocrite by commanding his people to do something evil and, yet,
condemning billions to the same fate, not in a temporary mortal sense, but
eternally? "And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of
the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the
fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that
they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." (Jeremiah 32:35)
* No
doubt, Hell, as portrayed in Christian dogma, is the worst possible fate any
human could possibly imagine. That being obvious, why did Moses not give warning
about this horrible fate in the Mosaic Covenant, which contained over 600 laws,
ordinances, and warnings, yet, only stated blessings and cursings in this
lifetime.
* The
concept of "any" human suffering eternal torture after death is completely
contradicted by this New Testament verse:
“Since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.” (1
Corinthians 15:22)
And this one:
"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to
condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all
men unto justification of life." ( Romans 5:18)
And this one:
"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the
living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." (1
Timothy 4;10).
Unless the word "all" has been declared as synonymous with "some", this gives
strong evidence that the Christian doctrine is "negated" by the very scriptures
they claim as authority for all their doctrines.
* Why
did Paul never mention “Hell” in any of his epistles, except to declare the
triumph of Christ over it in 1 Corinthians 15:55? The word “grave” in the
passage is the Greek word “hades.”, the same word translated into Hell in other
verses. And, why is it not mentioned once in the book of Acts, or in any of the
evangelistic sermons that were recorded by the early Apostles?
* Why
is the concept of a place of eternal suffering not used by any contemporary of
Christ, nor was it ever thus employed by any Christian until Justin and Clement
first used it in 150AD?
* If
most of the world's population will end up a place of eternal torture, doesn't
that imply that Jesus, at least partially, failed in his mission, which is found
in this verse?
"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came
not to judge the world, but to save the world." (John 12:47)
And, does that mean that the Father of Jesus, also, failed because of this
verse?
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the
world through him might be saved." (John 3:17)
Combined with the fact that a place of eternal torture was the doctrine of many
false, "pagan", religions condemned in the Bible, long before it became a part
of modern Christian dogma, there is good reason to question the orthodox view of
Hell. For further study on this subject we recommend that the scholar consider
the wealth of evidence presented in this research work online: The Bible Hell -
J.W. Hanson 1888: http://hellbusters.8m.com/thebiblehell.htm
I do not have a response to the statement: "God will not be mocked!".
The scholar states:
"Finally, you mentioned that Jesus said that
many of us will be able to do what He did and even greater things. That is true
as witnessed by Peter and Paul being able to raise the dead, but those were His
disciples who followed Him and were filled with His Holy Spirit. To infer that
this applies to everyone no matter their relationship with Christ is
disingenuous."
My response:
Implying that the text presented about this concept is disingenuous, or
lacking in honesty, is pure presumption, as is the claim that this only applies
to his disciples or apostles. By extension, that would also mean that anything
said, or taught, to his disciples apply only to them and can, therefore, be
ignored. And, in fact, that would also mean that no one need worry abuot having
any faith, except the disciples, and thus "negates" all Christian doctrines
about faith. All the teachings and statements of Jesus were meant for all the
world, and specific ones cannot be arbitrarily singled out as exclusive to this
person or that person, to prove one's point. Your claim, if true, would mean,
therefore, that you are putting forth your own personal doctrine on this
particular issue and should be stated as such.
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